The Tao of Gaming

Beowulf, Caylus and The Feeling


Another game of Beowulf, and a near loss. (As compared to a hideous last place). I suspect that Beowulf will get a few more plays, and then lurk in the back of the closet. I'll have a nagging "I should play this more often..." thought, like I do with Lord of the Rings (or LotR The Confrontation, or many of Knizia's Games).

What I don't feel is what I felt after Caylus.

Chris mentions (in comments below) that he felt better on PR after the first play. It's tough to tell which game felt better. (Part of the issue is that my first play of PR was at a convention where I could play it again and again. So I could quickly knock out several games. Caylus was a few plays and now the prospect of a long layoff...)

But both games left me with the same thoughts ... "what did the winner do right?", "how do the systems interact". I feel a desire to write out 10 pages of strategy thoughts, so I can hear other people's thoughts (and to clarify my own thoughts).

It is premature to declare Caylus a better game, but that's my gut feeling. Chris (and others) are right in that the time certainly favors Puerto Rico.

But no matter what, there aren't many games I ever play "back to back." Especially long games (anything over an hour). It's already in rare company ... I'd turn down other respected new games to play it again. Always a good sign.

Chris Farrell (mail) (www):
Interesting. There are definitely a couple shorter Knizia games (LotR: The Confrontation and Blue Moon) that I like a lot, but they are so dense, so intense for short games that even though they only take 10 minutes to play, they rarely generate a "let's play it again" right away.

I can see Beowulf being sorta like that. Beowulf is also a pretty intense game. A well-fought game can be exhausting because it's just hammering you so constantly with tough decisions that could be game-altering (although becuase of the risks they don't always turn out that way). The first time I played, I played it again immediately. But after that, once is usually enough in one game session, even though it's only 45min-1hr.

I just don't know on Caylus. I've come around to it more on recent playings; like Age of Steam, I've been able to work past the obvious rough edges. But it's 2-3 hours. That's a long game. I'd rather play the much tighter Goa, personally; not that Caylus is a bad game, it's just missing something for me, and is a bit too fiddly. And I don't like the hoseage and kingmaking possibilities, espeically in a game of that length. Caylus is still a good game I think, but certainly it can join War of the Ring as the hugely overrated game of the moment.
12.20.2005 11:07am
jacob:
I don't want you to take up too much of your time with this, but I am wondering if you think Caylus is a bigger, better, tougher version of Keythedral. I've read in several places that they feel similar and, if it's true, I'm bothered a bit by that. I bought Keythedral about a month ago and I enjoy it and when Caylus came in stock online, I ordered it right away. Now I'm thinking I should have waited on both and then just chose one to buy. Are the two that similar? Thanks.
12.20.2005 7:51pm
Brian (www):

I don't want you to take up too much of your time with this, but I am wondering if you think Caylus is a bigger, better, tougher version of Keythedral

Others may chime in, I've only played Keythedral once. Obviously I think that Caylus is a better game (I consider Keythedral in the 'average-ish' range), but I don't think they are similar, except in theme. My recollection is sketchy though. Both deal with building and resources, but use different mechanics. Keythedral also has a 'take that' deck of cards, if I recall.
12.21.2005 12:24am
jacob:
Okay, thanks. I'll see how they compare pretty soon . . .
12.21.2005 12:49am
Chris Farrell (mail) (www):
Both Caylus and Ystari's previous game, Ys, were clearly inspired by Richard Breese's Key* series of games. But they are more akin to Keydom than Keytown or Keythedral. I'd say that there is some similarity to Keythedral, but only at a high level.
12.21.2005 4:12pm